The Vinecast, Episode 23 - "Sausage Fest"

. . .the higher end of the age demographics.

And Brad, I might add, I'm damn glad I am considering some of the dreck that's regurgitated on this website as "news". A case in point is the rumor, started out in the notoriously conspiracy minded Arab media and then later run with by Pakistan's Nation, that supposedly Sy Hersh had confirmed that Cheney had a "hit squad" assassinate Benazir Bhutto when Hersh himself knocked it down almost immediately. 'Course, that didn't stop several people on this website from saying that well it wouldn't surprise them in the least and who knows. . . Pathetic. About 90% of the stuff emanating from the blogosphere is pure crap.

Well Brad we're going to agree to disagree on that one when it comes to the relative merits of edited media versus the "democracy" of the blogosphere. I do agree, however, that the medium isn't primarily an issue with me except what I mentioned in my first post about reading long articles online.

jdoyle, more likely the NV community (as a whole) voted and maybe just a bit of integrity and credibility has been restored. BTW, I had voted it as inflammatory and as a violation of the CoH; not as a member of a 5^th Column but for myself. Up until now, it had looked as NV gave this particular content a pass -- thanks for pointing this out.

Brad, agree with your assessment -- probably won't stay down long. But it's nevertheless a plus for NV that it 'listened' to the community even if only for a moment.

This whole removing of the articles discussion bothers me for one other reason i havent seen addressed and i'd love tyler's opinion on, namely the concept of YOYOW (you own your own words.) I'm ok with the site owners taking down something i wrote but i object to other members (non-owners/operators deleting comments i made without so much as the usual email at least giving me a copy of the deleted comment.

If the site IS going to let people delete others articles and discussions can we at least get a chance to get copies of comments?

But it's nevertheless a plus for NV that it 'listened' to the community

What community? The anti Islamic right wingers?

re #3

I'm sure those of us who have archived the running joke that was the circular umbridged defensive noise generators of the furious little oompa-loompa's caught masturbating through 600 odd comments regarding, what they defined as 'others imaginations' as they linguistically and logically tortured anyone interested in definitions of their indifference, those of us historically inclined to record examples of second rate dissemination are prepared to share.

As a last act of desperation, the people who stood accused of block voting after 600 comments did the only thing they could.

I imagine a group of grown-ups, all in different flickering rooms, wearing their underpants on top of their trousers and cheering.

That opinion piece was up for tow or three weeks, had 900 comments. I didn't watch, but I assume that Dennis had more opportunity to get "the facts" out, on Vinecast.

Could that rock have been wrung any drier? Yet, it was taken down, but probably to free up NV servers for the other members of Newsvine. There are others, I've heard.

Is the question here... Where's the justice?

: )

Could that rock have been wrung any drier? Yet, it was taken down, but probably to free up NV servers for the other members of Newsvine. There are others, I've heard.

I was unaware there could only be one meta discussion at a time though it's ironic that you say that because the main reason I wanted to see the discussion was because I was curious if anyone had responded to my question there, to wit, if we didnt so many discussions about personalities, like you just did there, judge, would calvin, tyler, et al be able to get done the kind of things that could help all of the site, i.e. revised faq, as opposed to letting people settle personal scores.

So did Dennis and other discussions go on for a long time? Yes. Would it nice to be able to read responses or know when a discussion is stopping (i'm a fan of keeping things up with comments turned off as opposed to just deleting or removing myself)

Scott,

I would be careful about personal references, usually. . But Dennis was a participant in the Vinecast, and his article came up in this subthread. Plus, my personal view, people who are NV superstars and people involved with influencing policies, both applying to Dennis, are going to be mentioned more often, and should expect that.

But do I think that the effort was worthwhile from the standpoint of management? I rarely get involved in meta stuff. Not interested. I check Tylers page once in awhile, less than I did, and I feel sorry for the stuff he has to read in dealing with COH violations. It is probably more interesting to do data crunching on the reading and writing habits of suspiciious groups, and Dennis' complaint was an opportunity.

Now I admire the objective separation which allows you to consider such articles free of bias. I read a little, found my user name on his list, and then was completely uninterested in the things that you found so intriguing. And seeing comments abpve that STILL has a faction feeling screwed, after those people contributed twenty or thirty comments (at keast) in support of Dennis selfless efforts for the common good, on a 900 comment article that went on for more than half a month, I felt compelled to reply.

But when you white folks get through making the world better, if you could come back and take the yoke of my neck, the one that has you presuming to inform the "guilty" about free speech, and codes of honor, I'd appreciate it.

: )

That opinion piece was up for tow or three weeks, had 900 comments. I didn't watch, but I assume that Dennis had more opportunity to get "the facts" out, on Vinecast.

This is the best indication yet that this was a valuable discussion that some people (Judge, feel free to except yourself) found valuable. It was not just Dennis' words that were censored, it was the words, thoughts and passion represented by nearly 2000 comments, most of which were genuine reflections of the will of members of the community. All the more disgusting, then, that the conspiracy of silencers were able to have it censored, while the whole time they were so vociferously denying the existence of an organized campaign to do just that.

The hypocrisy is sickening in the extreme. But the good news is that many more of their tactics were revealed to many more members of the community. Shining a little light on outbreaks of fascism is almost always healthy in the long run.

Unless I am greatly mistaken, the unjustified and partisan censoring of Dennis' article will be appealed. I wish to be among the first to strongly urge the restoration of this vital dialogue.

2000? I followed it into the hundreds. Based on comments 545, 6, 7, and 8, I am guessing that comments 1803, 4, 5, and 6 were...

...did too, did not, did too, did not......

I could be wrong.

It's just possible that the managers of US power grids had to choose between supplying electricity to the buildings housing servers assigned to Dennis, OR to the Eastern seaboard. People are running air conditioners this time of year, you know.

I could be wrong.

Yes. You could.

Hi ya, Judge. Missed seeing you around the Vine. Good to see you!

js (susan)

Hi Susan.

...around the vine

Good point. I have to stop tracking windmills.

: )

I need to put you on my tracker. That way I won't lose you again. lol

why track windmills when you can form a bloc and simply delete them.

Trite bull@!$%# about the national power grid notwithstanding.

Not that you did Judge, [not that you didn't either for all i care]

But someone did, a group of people did, and they had more than the national grid in mind when doing so.

I'd like to ask Tyler who took it down and if it was anyone actually participating in the discussion then that's obviously unethical. "If I can't dominate the discussion my cohorts and I will delete it.

Very @!$%#ing classy. And your attempt at a joke doesn't really obscure the fact that what dennis alledged, people taking down articles in concert, was blatantly illustrated on his article about people taking down articles in concert.

That sounds like a recipe for dark whimsey to me!

It definitely was missing something without any women...next week should actually be fairly packed with 'em though, so that should be interesting.

Definitely putting that on my calendar, then. :-P

I'm somewhat sad that I missed this one -- sounds like quite the serious talky-talk session, but my schedule has been without schedule as of late.

Brad,

is it okay to email you with the questions to ask Tyler?

js (susan)

I'm off meta, I'm all about the outward looking.

I am going for a job as a submarine co-pilot, forgive but that to me is far more interesting than some poor saps sniffing their own bums while talking in circles.

I think that one example of dragging all the sofas into one thread to entice red setters from far and wide to come running to dryhump said sofas en mass has served it's purpose.

Brad, can you make mention in the vinecast that a new article is up for mentors (and I think a few of the regular vinecasters have been mentors in the past) to give advice to those new to the site? Thanks.

It might be painful but you have to consider it Dennis.

You may have become somehow chick-retardant.

I am here :-)

I get to meet Tyler this weekend in Chicago so I will try to come chat on the vinecast...

That I will! She has been really busy recently...

Or maybe she doesn't like us anymore :-(

thanks - it is working now.

So now I am chopped liver :-)

So you are just envious of me, I see! Then that is ok because I am going to have a great time this weekend while you sit in Canada...

Nana booboo :-)

In that case I won't be there because i'm at a" free" church dinner (free being a favorite word right about now)